Hevilift court case
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Hevilift court case
If this case gets to court in Australia the decision could set a precedent which determines how training & company records are managed in Australia.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-02-25/victorian-pilot-sues-hevilift-aviation-company-for-$10-million/11996176
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-02-25/victorian-pilot-sues-hevilift-aviation-company-for-$10-million/11996176
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Re: Hevilift court case
This has been tried before. The weather call decision rests with the pilot in command. You can’t blame that on not having an A/H in a VFR ship.
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Re: Hevilift court case
Also how ownership of an unfortunate mistake is perceived.
Been alive long enough to know cloud/fog doesn’t just appear.
Blokes a scammer that should have interpreted the weather.
May as well blame casa for passing his exam/s and his doctor for passing his eye tests.
Wonder what his “peers” say about him as a person.
Been alive long enough to know cloud/fog doesn’t just appear.
Blokes a scammer that should have interpreted the weather.
May as well blame casa for passing his exam/s and his doctor for passing his eye tests.
Wonder what his “peers” say about him as a person.
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Re: Hevilift court case
NZHelo wrote:Also how ownership of an unfortunate mistake is perceived.
Been alive long enough to know cloud/fog doesn’t just appear.
Blokes a scammer that should have interpreted the weather.
May as well blame casa for passing his exam/s and his doctor for passing his eye tests.
Wonder what his “peers” say about him as a person.
^^ fully agree and
Not very nice things tbh.
Multiple people died cause of said actions...
Also the article said about hurtling along at “85 kts” in bad weather crossing ridges at tree height isn’t the smartest move, mountain flying 101
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Re: Hevilift court case
So I’m reading between the lines here. Any Hevilift PNG pilot can be expected to have a very good, working knowledge of potential weather in tropical, mountainous conditions. I don’t think it was this pilot’s idea to sue for not being provided with weather information prior to the flight. Perhaps his aircraft did not have basic gyro instruments but at the end of the day it was a CFIT accident. What I got from the story is that it seems he has been paying his own medical bills and is seeking some compensation to help with that. I reckon his lawyers came up with the reason for the lawsuit and they had to find a reason with some legal precedent.
I think we as pilots should reasonably expect sufficient insurance coverage to provide for medical and other costs in the event of an accident and should reasonably expect not to have to sue to get that. Really the question is, why T.H. has he had to use all his super etc to pay his own medical bills?
I think we as pilots should reasonably expect sufficient insurance coverage to provide for medical and other costs in the event of an accident and should reasonably expect not to have to sue to get that. Really the question is, why T.H. has he had to use all his super etc to pay his own medical bills?
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Re: Hevilift court case
Depends on employment status. A lot of pilot over their services as contractors !! In this case worker’s compensation insurances are the pilots responsibility.
I see this in the Ag industry a lot, but in reality I know if I employed a pilot on a contrac basis it won’t stand up in court and I would be sued to cover their compensation expenses
I see this in the Ag industry a lot, but in reality I know if I employed a pilot on a contrac basis it won’t stand up in court and I would be sued to cover their compensation expenses
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Re: Hevilift court case
Employment and conditions of contact pilots have been tried before. If you push the issue a contract pilot is almost always actually an employee. Regardless, I worked for Hevilift for years and I have a lot of forward and colleagues who also have. I’ve never heard of them using contract pilots.
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Re: Hevilift court case
Heliduck wrote:If this case gets to court in Australia the decision could set a precedent which determines how training & company records are managed in Australia.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-02-25/victorian-pilot-sues-hevilift-aviation-company-for-$10-million/11996176
Did this occur at Moro, PNG? Saw Hevilift were contracted to Oil Search. Flown my share of trips with Hevilift in the Southern Highlands and Hela Province (Tribal rebels took ExxonMobil's airstrip by force. Couldn't get charter planes up there for some time)
Good times.
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Re: Hevilift court case
Do the light singles operating up there now have the basic instruments fitted that would give you a chance if you encounter low visibility situations?
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Re: Hevilift court case
Yep Couch monster, back in 2006 occurred along the Moran ridge 5 minutes out of Moro.... few years before my time up there, tours in the southern highlands are always an adventure
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Re: Hevilift court case
The judgment is $5.65 million + costs to the pilot.
https://archive.sclqld.org.au/qjudgment ... 20-077.pdf
https://archive.sclqld.org.au/qjudgment ... 20-077.pdf
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Re: Hevilift court case
Only winners in that one are whomever is in the will...
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Re: Hevilift court case
Mag seal wrote:Do the light singles operating up there now have the basic instruments fitted that would give you a chance if you encounter low visibility situations?
When I was in Hela Province, the only helicopters getting around were 212's, 412's, AW109's, 139's, Mi-8's and Chinooks.
I don't remember seeing light singles in Moro when I was passing through there. Maybe there were limited to coastal operations?
Can anyone confirm this?
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Re: Hevilift court case
Plenty of singles operating throughout PNG including Moro and the highlands. Pacifics has there B3e's , Hevilift and Heli Nuiginis with 407's, there's other much smaller operators about also operating singles across the country... you can even spot a R44 in and out of Pom regularly
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Re: Hevilift court case
westy wrote:Plenty of singles operating throughout PNG including Moro and the highlands. Pacifics has there B3e's , Hevilift and Heli Nuiginis with 407's, there's other much smaller operators about also operating singles across the country... you can even spot a R44 in and out of Pom regularly
Ah yep, I've also seen the 407's operating in the highlands. It's strange that I never saw the B3's. I guess the R44 stayed around PoM for most part
Sometimes the flights to the highlands in the dash 8's and ATR's can get pretty hairy at times.
I remember my first flight up there from PoM. The guy next to me (who had been working at the oil company for 2 years), crossed his heart and bowed his head in prayer as the plane rumbled off the tarmac and into the sky.
It was at this point that I wondered what I was getting myself into
Anyone got any 'war stories' from their time in country?
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Re: Hevilift court case
Couch Monster wrote:westy wrote:Plenty of singles operating throughout PNG including Moro and the highlands. Pacifics has there B3e's , Hevilift and Heli Nuiginis with 407's, there's other much smaller operators about also operating singles across the country... you can even spot a R44 in and out of Pom regularly
Ah yep, I've also seen the 407's operating in the highlands. It's strange that I never saw the B3's. I guess the R44 stayed around PoM for most part
Sometimes the flights to the highlands in the dash 8's and ATR's can get pretty hairy at times.
I remember my first flight up there from PoM. The guy next to me (who had been working at the oil company for 2 years), crossed his heart and bowed his head in prayer as the plane rumbled off the tarmac and into the sky.
It was at this point that I wondered what I was getting myself into
Anyone got any 'war stories' from their time in country?
plenty mate sent you a PM
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