Black Hawks For Sale

[Wannabe60Driver]

Coming into fire season I have 2 x FAA Restricted Category UH-60s for sale. As I understand it, these are the only two flying aircraft currently for sale: none of this “kindly deposit 2 million dollars and we’ll pick up the spanners and get to work” BS.

1 x UH-60A+ (60L-spec 701D 2,000shp engines) with classic instrumentation. $US4Mn

1 x UH-60A with full IFR Genesys glass cockpit and 3-axis autopilot and stability augmentation system. $US7Mn Engines can be swapped at additional cost.

Both are ex-US Army with no incident history overhauled by the best shop in the business.

Prices ex-US. Experienced 60 maintainer available to do pre-purchase inspection. Training, belly tanks, paint, and all other mods available on short notice.

Shoot me a PM if interested.

[havick]

That’s quite the premium for those machines.

Why not contact XP services directly to buy their genesys cockpit demonstrator, and whatever else they’re trying to flog off?

[Wannabe60Driver]

Why not contact XP services directly to buy their genesys cockpit demonstrator, and whatever else they’re trying to flog off?

Anyone interested in a refurbed 60 should also contact Arista, Ace, Brown, Black Widow, etc.

If they want a new helicopter, they should pick up the phone to Bell, MD, Sikorsky, etc. If they want a new house, they should ignore the agent’s sign in the yard and go knock on the front door and negotiate with the guy that lives there.

Or they could ring the broker that can actually supply what it is they want immediately without the ball-ache and brain damage. Aviation brokers and the network of freight companies, insurance companies, pre-purchase inspectors, etc around them provide a service and deserve to get paid no different to any pilot or maintainer expects.

[bl@ckers]

Coming into fire season I have 2 x FAA Restricted Category UH-60s for sale. As I understand it, these are the only two flying aircraft currently for sale: none of this “kindly deposit 2 million dollars and we’ll pick up the spanners and get to work” BS.

1 x UH-60A+ (60L-spec 701D 2,000shp engines) with classic instrumentation. $US4Mn

1 x UH-60A with full IFR Genesys glass cockpit and 3-axis autopilot and stability augmentation system. $US7Mn Engines can be swapped at additional cost.

Both are ex-US Army with no incident history overhauled by the best shop in the business.

Prices ex-US. Experienced 60 maintainer available to do pre-purchase inspection. Training, belly tanks, paint, and all other mods available on short notice.

Shoot me a PM if interested.

Tell him he’s dreaming…..

[cupid stunt]

[Wannabe60Driver]

Amusing that nothing’s changed since I was a kid selling Ferraris and Lamborghinis or later when I was selling commercial real estate in that there will always be those that have all kinds of opinions on asking prices regarding things they’re not in a position to buy anyway.

Meanwhile those with the means are actually quietly making offers and doing business.

[havick]

Ok I’m looking at some of the invoices of a couple of the projects I put through.

Rounded numbers;

- UH60 from auction with 700’s $1.1-1.2m
- send engines to United rotorcraft for conversion $850k
- TC paperwork $40-50k
- labor and parts to make them fire ready budget $500k but you’ll get change out of that.

You can get a UH60 from auctions with 701D’s for circa 2m. If you go through the auctions results some got a bargain at 1.6ish.

Something with 701D’s in it ready to go is worth $3m tops, maybe 3.3 if they’re desperate.

But I guess I have no idea what I’m talking about according to a broker who is fishing for a commission.

[Wannabe60Driver]

Ok I’m looking at some of the invoices of a couple of the projects I put through.

Rounded numbers;

- UH60 from auction with 700’s $1.1-1.2m
- send engines to United rotorcraft for conversion $850k
- TC paperwork $40-50k
- labor and parts to make them fire ready budget $500k but you’ll get change out of that.

You can get a UH60 from auctions with 701D’s for circa 2m. If you go through the auctions results some got a bargain at 1.6ish.

Something with 701D’s in it ready to go is worth $3m tops, maybe 3.3 if they’re desperate.

But I guess I have no idea what I’m talking about according to a broker who is fishing for a commission.

And here’s the exact point from my original post: Every man and his dog thinks they know what something should cost, but they don’t have one that flies available for sale today.

No doubt someone that wants to go to auction in the US; has access to a certified MRO; and can afford to wait 6 months for the work to be done, could save a few bucks by doing all that themselves.

Or, given they make a living off fulfilling contracts, I reckon they’ll see value in the fact someone has taken the punt and spent real money to get all that done so they can fly away in something immediately.

And again: I learned long ago that the golden rule is simply that the man holding the gold makes the rules. Your opinion on what something is ‘worth’ will be relevant the second you open your wallet and send me a PM with an offer ready to go to contract.

[Wannabe60Driver]

Ok I’m looking at some of the invoices of a couple of the projects I put through.

Rounded numbers;

- UH60 from auction with 700’s $1.1-1.2m
- send engines to United rotorcraft for conversion $850k
- TC paperwork $40-50k
- labor and parts to make them fire ready budget $500k but you’ll get change out of that.

You can get a UH60 from auctions with 701D’s for circa 2m. If you go through the auctions results some got a bargain at 1.6ish.

Something with 701D’s in it ready to go is worth $3m tops, maybe 3.3 if they’re desperate.

But I guess I have no idea what I’m talking about according to a broker who is fishing for a commission.

And here’s the exact point from my original post: Every man and his dog thinks they know what something should cost, but they don’t have one that flies available for sale today.

No doubt someone that wants to go to auction in the US; has access to a certified MRO; and can afford to wait 6 months for the work to be done, could save a few bucks by doing all that themselves.

Or, given they make a living off fulfilling contracts, I reckon they’ll see value in the fact someone has taken the punt and spent real money to get all that done so they can fly away in something immediately.

And again: I learned long ago that the golden rule is simply that the man holding the gold makes the rules. Your opinion on what something is ‘worth’ will be relevant the second you open your wallet and send me a PM with an offer ready to go to contract.

[havick]

You can literally buy a uh60 with 701D’s ready to go in the US for $3m, but okay, good luck.

[UnObvious]

Wannabe60driver has a point.

There's what something costs and what it's worth.

I don't know of many ready to go hawks available right now. Most are spoken for, any ads you might see are just bait for a project order.

If this guy genuinely has these available, with the potential season coming up, these could be a good buy.

[Bee3]

Id like one in Matt black please.

[Wannabe60Driver]

Wannabe60driver has a point.

There's what something costs and what it's worth.

I don't know of many ready to go hawks available right now. Most are spoken for, any ads you might see are just bait for a project order.

If this guy genuinely has these available, with the potential season coming up, these could be a good buy.

Both ready to fly away today.

[Twistgrip]

For that type of money wouldn't you want a machine that can do everything for the client and not just bucket or tank, especially if your an Ad-Hoc owner??. Also depends what the supply and demand is for these machines I can't imagine they are running out the door so they are generally worth what people are willing to pay....Just my two cents worth

[Bee3]

For that type of money wouldn't you want a machine that can do everything for the client and not just bucket or tank, especially if your an Ad-Hoc owner??. Also depends what the supply and demand is for these machines I can't imagine they are running out the door so they are generally worth what people are willing to pay....Just my two cents worth

P P P P Puma….

[havick]

For that type of money wouldn't you want a machine that can do everything for the client and not just bucket or tank, especially if your an Ad-Hoc owner??. Also depends what the supply and demand is for these machines I can't imagine they are running out the door so they are generally worth what people are willing to pay....Just my two cents worth

they’re worth a lot more in parts if you buy them from the ‘best’ program.

The genesys cockpit machine that’s being advertised literally everywhere (including Facebook) for sale, is basically trying to recoup their STC R&D cost seeing as XP services hasn’t managed to really get any takers to mod their aircraft with the genesys cockpit. So that particular airframe is kind of a red herring but not worth anywhere near what they’re asking. Plus then you end up with kind of an orphan aircraft as far as avionics support goes.

And to be fair, XP Services did a really nice job with their genesys cockpit stc, but it’s pretty much overcapitalizing the airframe for the purpose of firefighting/utility.

Anything else that’s vanilla and ready to go with 701D’s are circa $3m, there’s quite a few ready to go for sale in that price point if you know where to look (the owners don’t have to advertise).

[Wannabe60Driver]

Still going eh?

You haven’t got the chequebook to buy an aircraft, you haven’t got any to sell, but you’re happy to sit back and sh*t-can other people’s livelihood and ability to feed their kids with your supposed ‘keyboard expert’ opinion on what something ’should’ cost?

Imagine if there was more flying, maintaining, training, and buying/selling of helicopters going on in the Australian industry rather than bitching and moaning.

[godfather007]

Interesting thread.
Yo 60 driver, I’d simply buy one just to piss my neighbour off.
They make way more noise than the 44, 350 or 407.
Just need the winning lotto ticket.
You will be in my top 5 phone call list.
Best of luck with the sale mate.

[havick]

Still going eh?

You haven’t got the chequebook to buy an aircraft, you haven’t got any to sell, but you’re happy to sit back and sh*t-can other people’s livelihood and ability to feed their kids with your supposed ‘keyboard expert’ opinion on what something ’should’ cost?

Imagine if there was more flying, maintaining, training, and buying/selling of helicopters going on in the Australian industry rather than bitching and moaning.

I guess we are at an impasse on how we see things and that’s okay.

I’ve stated factually what these aircraft are bought from auction for with and without 701D’s, the actually costs to get them TC’d and online etc. you’ve offered nothing but baseless defensive statements and again, that’s okay.

Oh, and I live in the USA, not Australia. So as for the bitching and moaning, I’m sorry you take it that way. But I also don’t like to see people get ripped off.

[Hello Pilots]