RFS 412s

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Re: RFS 412s

Postby Evil Twin » Mon Apr 6 2020, 05:37

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Re: RFS 412s

Postby Heliduck » Mon Apr 6 2020, 09:28

Bellringer wrote:I saw N reg helicopters flying in Australia with Australian operators during the fires. Are these flown by local pilots? If so do they fly on FAA licences?

You don’t need an FAA licence to fly N registered aircraft in Australia, you need a CASA licence.
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Re: RFS 412s

Postby Bellringer » Mon Apr 6 2020, 20:24

Makes you wonder why operators register VH rather than N in that case? I am sure I met US pilots flying N reg in Australia who did not have CASA licences.
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Re: RFS 412s

Postby havick » Mon Apr 6 2020, 20:29

Bellringer wrote:Makes you wonder why operators register VH rather than N in that case? I am sure I met US pilots flying N reg in Australia who did not have CASA licences.


Because you’re basically limited to only doing AWK under a discreet AOC (ie no Charter), with a foreign tail number. Unless the rules have changed on that front since I left Aus on that front.
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Re: RFS 412s

Postby Hello Pilots » Mon Apr 6 2020, 21:01

Don’t quote me but I think there may also be a maintenance thing. (Awesome quote though aye)
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Re: RFS 412s

Postby UnObvious » Mon Apr 6 2020, 22:40

Another benefit of keeping them off the VH register is your pilots don't have to have a fire fighting endorsement and all the garbage that goes along with it. So much for safety.
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Re: RFS 412s

Postby havick » Mon Apr 6 2020, 22:49

UnObvious wrote:Another benefit of keeping them off the VH register is your pilots don't have to have a fire fighting endorsement and all the garbage that goes along with it. So much for safety.


Only true if they’re being operated under a discreet AOC, the licensing rules and ops manual of the originating country then apply. It’s upto the Aussie operator that the discreet AOC is under the umbrella is operating and licensed per above.

But that’s all a thread drift and kinda moot as the aircraft related to this thread will be VH registered and administered by Coulson which did all the work years ago to get their own Australian AOC. Guess the work is paying off, only downside is ultimately profits going offshore. But they set themselves up correctly with paperwork to capitalize.
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Re: RFS 412s

Postby Twistgrip » Tue Apr 7 2020, 10:36

The Canadians and Americans (Wildcat,Erickson et al) have been doing it here for 20 + years. During the late 90’s early 00’, there weren’t many Aussie companies that had light twins or mediums on fires to invest in only to sit around most of the year on hope, our industry just isn’t that big and the work is just not there year round in GA. There were only a couple of Aussie operators I know of back then that are still around today that had 204’s / 205’s and BK’s (yes they were all the rage back then!)

The overseas operators above turned up in droves with 212’s / 412’s, S61’s 64’s etc and this is where it all started. These companies came here under the discreet AOC’s and got NAFC contracts as they had the experience in running larger machines. The rest is history. Shame.
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Re: RFS 412s

Postby Helical » Fri Apr 17 2020, 00:06

Coulson have started advertising for 412 drivers.

http://coulsongroup.com/employment/2020 ... RYlHII8VG4
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Re: RFS 412s

Postby havick » Fri Apr 17 2020, 00:31

Helical wrote:Coulson have started advertising for 412 drivers.

http://coulsongroup.com/employment/2020 ... RYlHII8VG4


Rumor has it they’ve already employed one Aussie to be the lead pilot on that contract and a few others have been interviewed also.
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Re: RFS 412s

Postby TreeTrimmer125 » Sat Apr 18 2020, 03:10

This may be a silly question so fire at me...

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is that a Canadian / US thing? Why not just call it twin experience or XYZ hrs? Or does it refer to a twin above a certain weight category - hence the type II reference?
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Re: RFS 412s

Postby 487072 » Sat Apr 18 2020, 03:31

Type is the official category of firefighting aircraft. Light/medium/heavy and single/twin/multi aren’t used to officially categorise firefighting aircraft. See NAFC Standards http://nafc.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2 ... r-2012.pdf
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Re: RFS 412s

Postby zipp » Sat Apr 18 2020, 18:48

I thought in NSW they were called light/ medium or Heavy!!!!! Must be a Victorian thing!!
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Re: RFS 412s

Postby bangequalsbad » Sun Apr 19 2020, 02:18

It doesn't matter what aircraft they use, if the missions are as poorly tasked as the wild goose chasing that took place this season, then a fleet of S92s won't be sufficient.

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Re: RFS 412s

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Re: RFS 412s

Postby godfather007 » Sun May 24 2020, 09:29

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Re: RFS 412s

Postby Twistgrip » Mon May 25 2020, 09:06

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Re: RFS 412s

Postby godfather007 » Mon May 25 2020, 10:26

Oh..
What a mess!
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Re: RFS 412s

Postby Twistgrip » Mon Oct 12 2020, 05:12

https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/showstoppers-emails-reveal-barriers-to-flying-firefighters-in-black-hawks-20201007-p5630x.html

Seems the Blackhawk pax carrying issue has resolved itself and rightly so, you can’t have rules for some and not others in my opinion. I’m certain operators of restricted category 205’s to name one type wouldn’t be too impressed if they weren’t allowed to use the same dispensation that these Blackhawks were looking for. Hence I guess the 412’s entering the RFS system.
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Re: RFS 412s

Postby UnObvious » Mon Oct 12 2020, 21:36

I have a feeling if they do ever find a way to use the Hawks, there'll be a similar tender process to the 412 contract and they'll be run by Coulson.

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