Drone killing technology ‘killed’ at major Australian airports

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Re: Drone killing technology ‘killed’ at major Australian airports

Postby Evil Twin » Sun Jan 20 2019, 00:14

Disappointing, lets hope that the legislation is changed to get this technology out there. Some of the people operating drones are complete morons and don't care what laws they are breaking or whose safety they are putting at risk. I'll not even start on those intentionally putting people at risk.

Massive fines and apportioning of costs (shutting down operations at a major airport costs thousands of dollars per minute) to the culprits and jail time is required to send a clear message.
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Re: Drone killing technology ‘killed’ at major Australian airports

Postby VBlade » Sun Jan 20 2019, 01:38

Yeah agreed, would like to see this introduced world wide as I dont see why they wouldnt be used everywhere.

They have no business or benefit near an aerodrome and should be restricted within a large vicinity.

Hefty fines in place and/or jailtime will make them think twice, you would think, but how can the operator of the drone be tracked or traced back to them? Dont know much about the toys but is there a serial number on the device that is registered or can the signal be pinpointed to a location e.t.c?
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Re: Drone killing technology ‘killed’ at major Australian airports

Postby RePLCPLH » Sun Jan 20 2019, 01:46

I'm a commercial drone pilot that teaches drone forensics to government agencies and unfortunately, this is a very important message hidden deep in an article written by a fairly poor excuse for a journalist. Long story short: the tech exists to take control of drones and identify the users operating them illegally, but our old-school legal system was designed to stop hackers from identifying mobile phone users- not to assist law enforcement to crack down on muppet hobbyists. Isn't it about time we petitioned the government to rectify the situation?

@VBlade: DJI have made their tech available to law enforcement globally in order to track illegal operators: https://www.dji.com/aeroscope
Other companies use similar tech that also works with non-DJI systems.
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Postby FerrariFlyer » Sun Jan 20 2019, 02:26

Evil Twin wrote: Some of the people operating drones are complete morons and don't care what laws they are breaking or whose safety they are putting at risk.

Correction. Should it not read ‘Most of the people’!! 8)
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Postby VBlade » Sun Jan 20 2019, 02:39

Disregarding the moron hobbyist drone flyers, These operators deliberately trying to cause issues like in the UK incidents are obviously using units that are not traceable back to them. Many ways to do this.

So to operate a standard 2.4 or 5.8ghz drone out of the box, how is this going to be traced back to any individual is what Id like to know.
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Re: Drone killing technology ‘killed’ at major Australian airports

Postby RePLCPLH » Sun Jan 20 2019, 02:41

FerrariFlyer wrote:
Evil Twin wrote: Some of the people operating drones are complete morons and don't care what laws they are breaking or whose safety they are putting at risk.

Correction. Should it not read ‘Most of the people’!! 8)


If you really want a fright, join a Facebook group called DJI Owners Australia- No Sheriffs. It's a group devoted to muppets with zero respect for aviation law talking openly about flying kilometres beyond visual line of sight, at night, near airports, etc, etc.

Any other country in the world would have a dedicated team of investigators tracking these potatoes down, but not Australia for some reason.

@VBLade: Any transmission is a two-way street. Tracing it to the user and documenting it as evidence is not difficult.
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Re: Drone killing technology ‘killed’ at major Australian airports

Postby FerrariFlyer » Sun Jan 20 2019, 04:25

Stupid people doing stupid things on video should prove to be easy pickings for CASA if they could be bothered. Hopefully they are. A few maximum penalty fines handed out to dim wits will start to have an effect.

Increased requirements for registration is a step in the right direction. Drivers licence or passport required for any UAV purchase and a registration fee will also go some way to recover costs (surprised CASA haven’t done this already seeing that they virtually charge you for everything except the oxygen their staff breathe whilst talking with you).

It also sounds as though laws need to change to stay legitimate and aligned with contemporary issues.
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Re: Drone killing technology ‘killed’ at major Australian airports

Postby VBlade » Sun Jan 20 2019, 05:31

I agree Ferrar Flyer, that would make the weekend uav flyer think about what they are doing a bit more and decrease the amount flying around the aerodromes atleast.

It may be hard to regulate the i.d requirments for OS purchases and if it will even help to stop the people that intentionally set out to do so to cause the disruption, which will always be tricky.

But defintely a step in the right direction to reduce the safety risk.

ReplCPLH: It may be a little difficult tracing it back to hot equipment with someone that has the wrong intention or someone in a crowd? I dont know, but guessing they would be on to it.
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Re: Drone killing technology ‘killed’ at major Australian airports

Postby jimiemick » Sun Jan 20 2019, 06:13

RePLCPLH wrote:
FerrariFlyer wrote:
Evil Twin wrote: Some of the people operating drones are complete morons and don't care what laws they are breaking or whose safety they are putting at risk.

Correction. Should it not read ‘Most of the people’!! 8)


If you really want a fright, join a Facebook group called DJI Owners Australia- No Sheriffs. It's a group devoted to muppets with zero respect for aviation law talking openly about flying kilometres beyond visual line of sight, at night, near airports, etc, etc.

Any other country in the world would have a dedicated team of investigators tracking these potatoes down, but not Australia for some reason.

@VBLade: Any transmission is a two-way street. Tracing it to the user and documenting it as evidence is not difficult.



I was on that group just to see what the idiots where doing, I have a DJI Mavic pro, Love flying it, but there are places we are not allowed to fly for a reason, and the people in that group love flying in controlled airspace.

Just a matter of time before it causes a major accident
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Re: Drone killing technology ‘killed’ at major Australian airports

Postby Gonsky » Sun Jan 20 2019, 07:03

To take out a drone you need to potenitally hit the folowing;

GPS L1 1575.42 MHz
GPS L2 1227.60 MHz
GPS L3 1381.05 MHz
GPS L4 1379.913 MHz
GPS L5 1176.45 MHz
433 and 900 Mhz
GLONASS L1 1.602~1.616GHz
GLONASS L2 1.246~1.256GHz
Potentially 4g, LTE and 3g
2.4-2.5GHz WiFi 11.g, b, Bluetooth
5.7GHz-5.9GHz
And about 20+ watts.

That will stop everything flying, big and small in a 5km radius yet there is the issue. Yet there are ways around all of the above.

In every country on the planet jamming any of those frequency's is against the law.

Simply ban point of sale, problem solved. If the powers to be were really concerned they would ban them.

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Re: Drone killing technology ‘killed’ at major Australian airports

Postby Gonsky » Mon Jan 21 2019, 08:58

'Mankind has a perfect record in aviation - we have never left one up there!'
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Re: Drone killing technology ‘killed’ at major Australian airports

Postby RePLCPLH » Tue Jan 22 2019, 11:45

Gonsky wrote:
In every country on the planet jamming any of those frequency's is against the law.

Simply ban point of sale, problem solved. If the powers to be were really concerned they would ban them.

Regards,


'Frequencies' is plural and is spelt as such.

Banning drone sales? Great idea but I'm pretty sure this is an Australian forum and banning sh*t is not necessarily how we roll. Could law enforcement ensure DJI limit their product to 400 feet and line of sight? Easily.

New laws are on the way to ensure a big difference between the hobbyists and commercial remote pilot license holders. Hopefully CASA gets it right this time.
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Re: Drone killing technology ‘killed’ at major Australian airports

Postby Gonsky » Wed Jan 23 2019, 08:27

https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-46968419

Actually it is spelled in Australia. spelt is more of a UK term. Spell is one of those verbs with both an irregular form and a regular form.

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Re: Drone killing technology ‘killed’ at major Australian airports

Postby RePLCPLH » Thu Jan 24 2019, 09:01

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Re: Drone killing technology ‘killed’ at major Australian airports

Postby Evil Twin » Mon Mar 11 2019, 10:18

I would very much like to operate a drone shield device. Though I may be a tad over-zealous
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Re: Drone killing technology ‘killed’ at major Australian airports

Postby Rotorpilot » Mon Mar 11 2019, 11:24

Could you not put that sort of tech in a chopper so any drone within a 50m radius would drop out of the sky? And 50m was a random distance, allowing for both craft moving towards each other.
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