Future of flying cars and their impact on us.

General stuff that gets thrown about when Helicopter Pilots shoot the Breeze.
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Postby RePLCPLH » Fri Jun 28 2019, 04:23

Total crock of sh*t. I know the eVTOL space very well through my finance work and what Uber etc are putting out there in the press has zero to do with reality and everything to do with pumping up their ludicrous valuations.

If it took Boeing twenty-six years and over $US 45 billion to develop a new kind of aircraft (V-22 Osprey), how does anyone expect us to believe that CASA, the FAA, EASA etc are going to sign off on an autonomous electric multi-rotor aircraft flying from inner-city rooftops inside the next decade?
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Postby hand in pants » Sat Jun 29 2019, 05:05

In a way you have to laugh at these clowns promoting "flying cars" and how they will be everywhere in 3 or 4 years.
Obviously government knows nothing about it and it certainly sounds like uber knows nothing about it.
Government knows nothing about aviation period, let alone introducing flying taxis or whatever they are.
As for uber, they would have to be aware that they are peddling crap to anyone who will listen. Saying anything to get their brand in the news.
It's just like climate change, say anything that sounds dramatic and the suckers will believe you.
And then you have the gonskys of the world who are silly enough to believe their own bull s#!t.
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Postby Evil Twin » Sat Jun 29 2019, 06:13

hand in pants wrote:In a way you have to laugh at these clowns promoting "flying cars" and how they will be everywhere in 3 or 4 years.
Obviously government knows nothing about it and it certainly sounds like uber knows nothing about it.
Government knows nothing about aviation period, let alone introducing flying taxis or whatever they are.
As for uber, they would have to be aware that they are peddling crap to anyone who will listen. Saying anything to get their brand in the news.
It's just like climate change, say anything that sounds dramatic and the suckers will believe you.
And then you have the gonskys of the world who are silly enough to believe their own bull s#!t.



Hear bloody hear, well said!!!
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Postby Hello Pilots » Sat Jun 29 2019, 06:29

Whoa Whoa Whoa....So you guys/girls/they/zis/zir are trying to tell me/us that this wont happen in the next couple few years. Bollocks, I saw it first hand when they reported it on MSM and you heathens are trying to tell me otherwise.
Its going to happen, and in Melbourne duh.
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Postby Fill-level » Sat Jun 29 2019, 06:58

Hello Pilots wrote:Whoa Whoa Whoa....So you guys/girls/they/zis/zir are trying to tell me/us that this wont happen in the next couple few years. Bollocks, I saw it first hand when they reported it on MSM and you heathens are trying to tell me otherwise.
Its going to happen, and in Melbourne duh.
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Postby Eric Hunt » Sat Jun 29 2019, 07:14

The Sydney trial is expected to be a huge success, so big that all cars are expected to be obsolete in 6 months, no traffic any more, and I have been authorised to sell that dopey coat-hanger thingy that obstructs the view of the new casino.

I am open to offers. Send your paperwork via Ooooober flying car.
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Postby Balibelly » Sat Jun 29 2019, 07:46

I’m not worried but they do have some high level partners on board.

The partnerships are with established aeronautics and emerging VTOL players, including Aurora Flight Sciences (Boeing), Embraer, Bell Helicopter, Pistrel Aircraft, Mooney and ChargePoint,


https://youtu.be/yS2t8aInfIM
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Postby Evil Twin » Sat Jun 29 2019, 11:58

737 MAX, just sayin
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Postby RePLCPLH » Sat Jun 29 2019, 22:48

Like I said, Boeing’s V22 Osprey project: 26 years and $US 45+ billion. Anyone that’s ever flown a drone knows they have an electronic speed controller for every motor so there’s at least two points of failure for every corner. In anything certified to fly today, having multiple engines is about redundancy, whereas there is no way to stop a drone-style multi-rotor from crashing when it loses a single motor or speed controller. I don’t see the certification authorities wrapping their little minds around that basic fact anytime soon.
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Postby Fill-level » Sat Jun 29 2019, 23:36

Tesla self driving cars, the technology is no where near ready.

The talk is to remove pilots from planes. work that out.

This is just an experimental stage that will go on for a long time
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Postby SuperF » Sun Jun 30 2019, 06:32

it was two years and these things would be flying.

one year is up already...


its a bit like Al Gores climate change warnings in 1989, 10 meter sea level rise in 10 years, i can't remember there being a problem in 1999, with all these beaches getting washed away..... now its still 10 years away...
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Postby hand in pants » Sun Jun 30 2019, 22:54

Balibelly, yes, you're right, there are some heavy hitters involved in development.
But.
I bet their PR people aren't saying they will be approved, certified, safe and ready to go in 12 months. They might say it will be ready to fly in 12 months, although I doubt it, but testing, certification, approval by aviation authorities will take a long time. And then there is the cost. The big hitters will be investing possibly billions into this and given that, I can't see them producing a 4 passenger machine for $40k.
The other hurdle nobody wants to talk about in msm is where do they operate from/to.

I'm sure there will be flying "cars" around at some stage, just not in my short lifetime or anyone's here on slapper.

At this time they are pie in the sky stuff for the foreseeable future.
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Postby zzodr » Mon Jul 1 2019, 09:53

Mercedes developed flying cars at Le Mans back in 1999.
However customer satisfaction was reportedly low.

And why:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lL4gMpZolsU
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Postby Evil Twin » Mon Jul 1 2019, 11:04

I was talking to a few people at work about this today, some with worryingly very little real aviation knowledge :shock:

They were under the impression that because there was a trial happening in Melbourne, this technology was now and was definitely happening. I made the comment about the 737 max also the the self driving cars etc. and asked if they would be willing to jump into either with no driver/pilot at the helm for a trip. I got a couple of quizzical looks shortly followed by comments that the trails would start with a pilot at the controls. I countered with "so how long before you trust the system enough, in light of the Tesla self driving car crashes and the 737 Max driving itself into the ground?" There was a very stony silence for a while before the re-run of the 'but they will have a pilot/driver at the controls.' I never did get an answer from anyone present as to how long they would wait and watch before trusting their lives to "George" without any form of human oversight. Said it all to me really.
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Re: Future of flying cars and their impact on us.

Postby RePLCPLH » Mon Jul 1 2019, 22:20

zzodr wrote:Mercedes developed flying cars at Le Mans back in 1999.
However customer satisfaction was reportedly low.

And why:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lL4gMpZolsU


Gold. Unsurprisingly, Mark Webber refused to get back in it.

Evil Twin wrote:There was a very stony silence for a while before the re-run of the 'but they will have a pilot/driver at the controls.'


Therein lies the problem. What good is a pilot in an aircraft that is absolutely guaranteed to crash if a single motor or speed controller fails? There is absolutely no way to autorotate a multi-rotor with a motor on each corner and the only way they stay in the air is through the magic of very high-speed computing.
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Re: Future of flying cars and their impact on us.

Postby hand in pants » Tue Jul 2 2019, 03:09

Unfortunately the "reality" doesn't apply to those who have little or no aviation knowledge. And I include caa in this lot.
Promoters, PR companies and enthusiasts actually have no idea. It sounds good, looks good on all of the glossy handouts and that's where it ends. It's just fantasy for now and the foreseeable future. They will happen, no doubt, but not for a good long while.

Always good for a laugh though.
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Re: Future of flying cars and their impact on us.

Postby Kiwifella » Tue Jul 2 2019, 05:30

Interesting topic, how about Ag flying ? I appreciate the people moving work being a while away but what about spray drones ? How long until they are lifting 300L plus and the local ag Pilot is looking for loading work!
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Postby RePLCPLH » Tue Jul 2 2019, 07:14

Most ag work involving unmanned platforms involves flying Beyond Visual Line of Sight (BVLOS). The only operators getting the approvals to do that legally hold a CPL on either fixed-wing or helos along with an instrument rating so being a remote ag pilot will likely still involve all your current qualifications- you'll just be able to do it from the ground.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydfPzqaNkuA
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Re: Future of flying cars and their impact on us.

Postby rickshaw » Thu Jul 4 2019, 20:48

UBER ELEVATE JUNE SUMMIT LAYS OUT 2023 FLIGHT PLAN

Ride-sharing giant Uber believes it can leverage its ground network of 93 million monthly platform users and move them into the air—and soon. At the two-day Uber Elevate Summit in mid-June in Washington, D.C., Uber revealed its plans for replicating its ground network in the sky, unveiling electric vertical take-off and landing (eVTOL) designs that could compose its fleet as well as early plans for where it would initially fly its aircraft and the infrastructure that would support its operations. “The ever-elusive flying car future we have all imagined is one step closer,” Uber Elevate head of product Nikhil Goel said at the opening of the summit on 11 June 2019.

“It’s closer than most people think.”
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Re: Future of flying cars and their impact on us.

Postby Eric Hunt » Thu Jul 4 2019, 21:45

Uber revealed its plans for replicating its ground network in the sky


Uber is only a way of booking and paying (already exists) for a ground vehicle (they already exist) to drive you on a road (already exists) to a destination (where ground vehicles can already put you.)

Getting regulatory approval for an autonomous electric flying vehicle (only exists in the CGI world) to take you via a low-level air route (doesn't exist) to a place to drop you off (doesn't exist away from a licensed heliport) will be the tricky bit.

And no, it is NOT closer than you think.

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