407 Accident - PNG

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407 Accident - PNG

Postby outta track » Wed Feb 15 2017, 10:04

From the Web today.

Any word on who's machine and if they are OK?

http://www.looppng.com/png-news/two-ser ... rash-52477
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Re: 407 Accident - PNG

Postby kiwiflyer » Wed Feb 15 2017, 23:28

Well that's why it crashed, it said two passengers were trying to operate the helicopter, where was the pilot.

I wouldn't believe to much in that article apart from the bit about it being a 407 and in Kiunga.
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Re: 407 Accident - PNG

Postby hand in pants » Thu Feb 16 2017, 19:54

Well said Kiwiflyer, typical of the media these days.

Get a small amount of information, not really enough so add some drivel and bang, there's your story. Publish it with no facts checks, no confirmation of anything. So called journalists have a lot to answer for these days.
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Re: 407 Accident - PNG

Postby FerrariFlyer » Fri Feb 17 2017, 07:40

hand in pants wrote:Well said Kiwiflyer, typical of the media these days.

Get a small amount of information, not really enough so add some drivel and bang, there's your story. Publish it with no facts checks, no confirmation of anything. So called journalists have a lot to answer for these days.


Perfectly explained in the following:

https://youtu.be/27LHUqQiGgA
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Re: 407 Accident - PNG

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Re: 407 Accident - PNG

Postby Twistgrip » Fri Feb 17 2017, 09:33

Narrative:
The helicopter tried to lift drums of fuel and crashed


Well that was a short investigation by Wiki :roll:

hope all are recovering well most importantly.
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Re: 407 Accident - PNG

Postby arrrj » Fri Feb 17 2017, 23:06

HIP,

Donald Trump agrees !

"Fake news".

:D

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Re: 407 Accident - PNG

Postby Overtorqued Nut » Sat Feb 18 2017, 13:06

Story has it that ground crew connected long line with three drums attached whilst aircraft was on ground.
Pilot commenced 'normal takeoff profile' without knowledge of said load.
Aircraft comes to abrupt holt at approx 30kt / 10ft.
Understood that the 'Loadie' legged it and hasn't been seen since. :?

Hope those injured make a speedy recovery.
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Re: 407 Accident - PNG

Postby RotorTQ » Sun Feb 19 2017, 08:09

Overtorqued Nut wrote:Story has it that ground crew connected long line with three drums attached whilst aircraft was on ground.
Pilot commenced 'normal takeoff profile' without knowledge of said load.
Aircraft comes to abrupt holt at approx 30kt / 10ft.
Understood that the 'Loadie' legged it and hasn't been seen since. :?

Hope those injured make a speedy recovery.


Wow, same thing almost happened to me. It was only the cargo mirror - trained on the belly hook - that avoided a similar un-commanded hook up. Kind've making the hairs stand up on the back of my neck right now. I got lucky... Hope the PIC makes a full recovery.
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Re: 407 Accident - PNG

Postby flyboy111111 » Mon Feb 20 2017, 10:16

Is it not standard operating procedures in most PNG ops to attach the line before take off?
If the aircraft was powered down did the pilot not notice the attached line in a preflight or if powered up did he not notice ground crew coming in and crawling under the aircraft......
Stranger things have happened.......
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Re: 407 Accident - PNG

Postby Hello Pilots » Mon Feb 20 2017, 11:57

flyboy111111 wrote:Stranger things have happened.......

Yup, your post being one of them.
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Re: 407 Accident - PNG

Postby flyboy111111 » Mon Feb 20 2017, 12:32

Thanks Hello Pilots , your post was most informative .
I would have presumed with your vast experience you would have answered my question, not responded to a cheap throw off.
I will throw it back out there, isn't it SOP to attach the line in PNG prior to getting airborne?
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Re: 407 Accident - PNG

Postby Yankee » Mon Feb 20 2017, 15:39

Flyboy1111

Helopilots was not blowing you off...

It was a Bell407. Indications are a load was hooked up without the pilots knowledge.

In a Bell407 it is very easy to approach from the 8 o'clock position without being seen.

If what is speculated as being true that a line/load was attached to the ACFT without the pilots knowledge then this could very likely cause an accident and is very plausible.

There was very likely communications breakdown somewhere.

Your comments about SOP are unfounded. Its utility work.

Anyway. Best to just try and be safe as can be I guess.
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Re: 407 Accident - PNG

Postby kiwiflyer » Mon Feb 20 2017, 18:57

It is what happened, line attached without the pilots knowledge.
Any one who has worked in PNG will know that regardless of training, SOPs etc when working with the local workforce things can get somewhat unpredictable at times.
Not sure about that company's procedures re hook up of longline but we hook the line on in the hover only.
However I have still had a load master walking toward the helicopter longline in hand trying to put the line on when he wasn't supposed too during a normal T/O.
You have to be super vigilant, and even then you can still get caught out, just one of the many hazards of flying in PNG.
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Re: 407 Accident - PNG

Postby SuperF » Thu Feb 23 2017, 07:20

Our standard SOP is you "always" lift to a hover and check hook and skids are clear on any takeoff. If you have two mirrors, set one to the hook, if you have a moveable mirror, rotate it to your hook and check, lean out the door and look at your skids every single T/O.

Some guys have even landed with a line attached, then taken off forgetting they were still hooked up!!

This isn't the first time it has happened, and won't be the last, checking every T/O can help.

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