Wow. Close call

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huey
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Wow. Close call

Postby huey » Sun Apr 29 2018, 09:04

Just come across this, never seen it before.

https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php? ... 9092306991
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Re: Wow. Close call

Postby Icefather » Sun Apr 29 2018, 09:32

Extremely lucky no one was injured. As some pax would have had seatbelts off.
A lot of comments are saying controls weren’t guarded during pax disembarking. Wouldn’t Ground idle have helped prevent this ? Is it just basic pilot error? Complacency may have been alive and well.
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Re: Wow. Close call

Postby aaron » Sun Apr 29 2018, 12:20

I also thought, is this helicopter not at ground idle?
Scary and lucky at the same time
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Re: Wow. Close call

Postby The Scarlett Harlot » Sun Apr 29 2018, 21:41

I’ve never seen “ground idle” as a throttle setting on any aircraft, in the case of these things, they are off, idle or flight.


Perhaps more relevant, on this type is;

Since it has a positive collective lock, why wasn’t that applied?



Who really knows what was going on inside, but there are lessons here for us all, experienced or otherwise.
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Re: Wow. Close call

Postby SuperF » Sun Apr 29 2018, 23:03

The problem with the terms idle and flight is that people get all mixed up.

There used to be idle, flight and off, as three basic throttle settings. Then people started to refer to flight idle, so is that flight with collective down, or idle on the throttle.

So that we didn’t have any confusion lots of people now refer to idle as ground idle. Originally we had idle in our SOP, but someone in CAA knew better so made us change the SOP to refer to flight idle. A few years later CAA come through and are confused because we have flight idle, so we have now changed to “ground idle” so that hopefully there can be no confusion....

It certainly makes left hand drive helicopters look far safer for most flight ops. You see what can ensue when pax turn off the fuel, yank on or push down collective, if you can get all those controls away from the pax it has to increase safety.
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Re: Wow. Close call

Postby rotors99 » Mon Apr 30 2018, 06:01

Anyone got a non facebook link for those who don't have an account? thanks pop;
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Re: Wow. Close call

Postby rex bivouac » Mon Apr 30 2018, 06:17

Rotors99 you can still view the video. I don’t have idiotbook and I was able to view.
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Re: Wow. Close call

Postby rotors99 » Mon Apr 30 2018, 07:18

Thanks Rex....what a complete clothkok, why hop out at flight Nr? Dumber than s#!t Oc:=
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Re: Wow. Close call

Postby Blade » Tue May 1 2018, 09:30

Its a very common party trick for the EC120. One in NZ did the same without the pilot and flew away by itself. It has to do with the dodgy collective lock. There has been an AD for their replacement so maybe this one was missed.

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