Agusta AB-412HP Grifone working

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Agusta AB-412HP Grifone working

Postby antiguogrumete » Fri May 23 2014, 07:06

Forest Fire in the mountains of Pedralba (Valencia, Spain) 05.22.2014
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Re: Agusta AB-412HP Grifone working

Postby kiwiflyer » Fri May 23 2014, 08:07

Why would you land like that with the bucket out the back under the tail, crazy kookaburra.
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Re: Agusta AB-412HP Grifone working

Postby pigdog » Fri May 23 2014, 09:18

Yeah why??????
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Re: Agusta AB-412HP Grifone working

Postby bangequalsbad » Fri May 23 2014, 10:49

Seen almost all the mediums do it that way in AUS as well. Maybe its a downwash thing?
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Re: Agusta AB-412HP Grifone working

Postby 100ft » Fri May 23 2014, 17:11

Looks like the bucket lines are twisted. Never seen a tether used before to hold the bucket control head.
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Re: Agusta AB-412HP Grifone working

Postby nzflyer » Fri May 23 2014, 20:49

I don't know who you have seen land like that in Aus but that's surely nothing more than bad training
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Re: Agusta AB-412HP Grifone working

Postby hand in pants » Fri May 23 2014, 21:55

I'm just glad to see that I'm not the only one who doesn't seem to think it's a requirement to use a 100 foot line every time you use a bucket.
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Re: Agusta AB-412HP Grifone working

Postby droptmcguts » Fri May 23 2014, 22:41

Given the length of the line it's impossible for the bucket to fly up into the tail or rotor, had he have placed the bucket underneath the belly it might have got caught up with the hook and tangle the lines. He could have placed the bucket in front and in clear view though..... pop;

In the end it's works for him and he is the PIC....

Nice short line and does the trick...
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Re: Agusta AB-412HP Grifone working

Postby Hello Pilots » Fri May 23 2014, 23:45

Pretty much all the medium drivers Ive seen here in canada land with line behind them.....not drag it like the 412 pilot in the video.
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Re: Agusta AB-412HP Grifone working

Postby bangequalsbad » Sat May 24 2014, 11:59

nzflyer wrote:I don't know who you have seen land like that in Aus but that's surely nothing more than bad training


...maybe you can tell them that this season when you're out on the fire ground then... :roll:
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Re: Agusta AB-412HP Grifone working

Postby macca01 » Sun May 25 2014, 05:26

The idea is to be able to always see your load.
If the guy is in a medium with a open or bubble window then looking back is pretty easy.
Good luck going round to every second helicopter telling them they are poorly trained.
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Re: Agusta AB-412HP Grifone working

Postby rex bivouac » Sun May 25 2014, 08:59

nzflyer have you got a video on how to do it correctly ? :wink:
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Re: Agusta AB-412HP Grifone working

Postby hand in pants » Sun May 25 2014, 09:02

Even better, a video of YOU doing it "correctly"......................
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Re: Agusta AB-412HP Grifone working

Postby rex bivouac » Mon May 26 2014, 00:34

I have no idea what I'm doing...would you like a video of that? :lol:
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Re: Agusta AB-412HP Grifone working

Postby bangequalsbad » Mon May 26 2014, 00:46

rex bivouac wrote:I have no idea what I'm doing...would you like a video of that? :lol:


:D :lol: :D
There is not enough data storage to document my poor technique!
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Re: Agusta AB-412HP Grifone working

Postby rotors99 » Mon May 26 2014, 01:35

What a clothkok dragging the bucket then sitting the machine onto it hmmmm
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Re: Agusta AB-412HP Grifone working

Postby Quick Release » Mon May 26 2014, 02:18

Looks like std practice to me for a medium, short line requires it.
Also if you take the time to look at the aircraft you will see it has antenna at the front, fwd of the skid tubes and rear of the chin bubbles.
Some have a lot more, so to rear it goes regardless.

Dragged the bucket half a meter? ... oh dear!! :roll:

Nice job.
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Re: Agusta AB-412HP Grifone working

Postby SuperF » Mon May 26 2014, 22:01

not standard practise to do that in a medium, short line doesn't require it, you can very easily land the bucket then move to the side and land beside it. from the angle of the vid, its hard to see if he is actually landing right on top of it, or just off to the side, either way i would have tried to put it further beside the machine. also hard to see if its LHS or RHS PIC. some of the vid looks single pilot RHS, other parts there are 2 up front.

If you have ever seen the results of someone walking head down following a hose or rope that is sitting under a spinning tail rotor, then you will decide its not a good practise to land with your tail over anything.

If you make it a habit to land with your line out under the tail, then make sure that you stick to steel line, and you don't come to NZ and do utility ops with a loading site out on some sheep farm, that has far too many thistles. the minute you use a light synthetic line and see it hanging a few feet off the ground in the thistles then you might decide not to land your tail over it.


regarding landing with a load, maybe I'm the laziest pilot on here, so anytime i land, i put the load down right beside where i want to land, and then work my way down and land beside it, doesn't matter if i have 6' of line or 200', once the load is on the ground i can sort the line out and then land where i want to be, hop out and my bucket is sitting only a couple of steps away. if something needs to be fixed I've got a tool box right in the helicopter, and i don't have to lug that across the field...
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Re: Agusta AB-412HP Grifone working

Postby rodger rodger » Mon May 26 2014, 23:29

Standard practise to use a short line for a medium.... don't think so, but each to their own. Id rather a longline anyday.

Dragging the bucket half a metre or half a foot i don't are for that either not if i paid for the bucket.

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