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Fire time

Postby tailrotor » Sat Apr 27 2019, 04:02

Hey all wondering if someone in the know could elaborate on the term "fire time" I'm trying to make firefighting my next step but every job seems to have a 50 hour "fire time" requirement.

I have a number of hours flying incendiary devices and dropping private ground crews out to extinguish fires with blowers is this something that counts towards fire time or does it have to be under NAFC contracts?
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Re: Fire time

Postby Pinnacle » Sat Apr 27 2019, 05:03

Did you see fire?

= fire time
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Re: Fire time

Postby 487072 » Sat Apr 27 2019, 05:29

“The Contractor will ensure that the pilot in command of the Aircraft that may undertake Firebombing has a minimum of 50 hours total time of Firebombing experience. This clause does not apply to pilots provided for Air Attack Supervision Aircraft or Specialist Intelligence Gathering Aircraft.
The Contractor will ensure that the pilot in command of any Air Attack Supervision Aircraft or Specialist Intelligence Gathering Aircraft has a minimum of 50 hours total time of Aerial Firefighting experience or in similar operations as certified by the Chief Pilot of the Contractor as providing equivalent experience.”

http://nafc.org.au/?page_id=819
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Re: Fire time

Postby tailrotor » Sat Apr 27 2019, 06:08

487072 wrote:“The Contractor will ensure that the pilot in command of the Aircraft that may undertake Firebombing has a minimum of 50 hours total time of Firebombing experience. This clause does not apply to pilots provided for Air Attack Supervision Aircraft or Specialist Intelligence Gathering Aircraft.
The Contractor will ensure that the pilot in command of any Air Attack Supervision Aircraft or Specialist Intelligence Gathering Aircraft has a minimum of 50 hours total time of Aerial Firefighting experience or in similar operations as certified by the Chief Pilot of the Contractor as providing equivalent experience.”

http://nafc.org.au/?page_id=819



So you can’t do any form of firefighting for NAFC without having 50 hours of experience firefighting for NAFC? Can anyone explain how your supposed to get experience then? Are you supposed to pay for 50 hours of training?
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Re: Fire time

Postby 487072 » Sat Apr 27 2019, 06:18

At the moment the options are either doing time under supervision of someone who does have the hours, or getting the experience in a state that doesn’t currently use NAFC standards for their requirements (contract or call when needed), or many have gone the Canada route, but that obviously isn’t available to everyone.
In the near future option 2 (get the hours in another state) will not be available because all government managed firefighting will be done under national NAFC standards, at which time it will basically fall to the operator to send pilots under supervision for their first 50 hours.
Incendiary operations are very likely to be considered equivalent experience for Air Attack hours.
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Re: Fire time

Postby lowlevelhell » Sat Apr 27 2019, 06:26

tailrotor wrote:
487072 wrote:“The Contractor will ensure that the pilot in command of the Aircraft that may undertake Firebombing has a minimum of 50 hours total time of Firebombing experience. This clause does not apply to pilots provided for Air Attack Supervision Aircraft or Specialist Intelligence Gathering Aircraft.
The Contractor will ensure that the pilot in command of any Air Attack Supervision Aircraft or Specialist Intelligence Gathering Aircraft has a minimum of 50 hours total time of Aerial Firefighting experience or in similar operations as certified by the Chief Pilot of the Contractor as providing equivalent experience.”

http://nafc.org.au/?page_id=819



So you can’t do any form of firefighting for NAFC without having 50 hours of experience firefighting for NAFC? Can anyone explain how your supposed to get experience then? Are you supposed to pay for 50 hours of training?


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Re: Fire time

Postby bangequalsbad » Sun Apr 28 2019, 02:53

487072 wrote:
Welcome to the absurd world of aviation. Which came first, the chicken or the egg? :roll:


Neither.
CASA came first and stipulated an amendment to an instrument that wasn’t covered by a regulation that “No chicken can lay an egg unless it has demonstrated to an approved testing officer that it can lay an egg and completion of the second part constitutes an offense under the act if the chicken has not , in the preceding 30 days, applied for an exemption to the instrument.”
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Re: Fire time

Postby KOALA » Sun Apr 28 2019, 03:45

bangequalsbad wrote:
487072 wrote:
Welcome to the absurd world of aviation. Which came first, the chicken or the egg? :roll:


Neither.
CASA came first and stipulated an amendment to an instrument that wasn’t covered by a regulation that “No chicken can lay an egg unless it has demonstrated to an approved testing officer that it can lay an egg and completion of the second part constitutes an offense under the act if the chicken has not , in the preceding 30 days, applied for an exemption to the instrument.”



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Re: Fire time

Postby bubble bugs » Sun Apr 28 2019, 16:41

Even flying copilot to gain experience will likely be difficult given they can't log PIC time and the majority of agencies do not allow copilots as it limits carrying capacity of the aircraft, unless you can get your first gig on a multi crew heavy??? )c/
Unfortunately the cost of Fire ratings in Australia and lack of longline experience are limiting the up and coming and willingness for companies to spend money training as their margins to win contracts or gamble on cwn are slim.

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