CPL Nav question

A place to have your say and ask your questions on anything in the Helicopter learning environment.
User avatar
VBlade
Silver Wings
Silver Wings
Posts: 73
Joined: Feb 2018

CPL Nav question

Postby VBlade » Tue Aug 28 2018, 08:26

Looking for a way to find an aerodrome by an ICAO code.

I am getting questions that for example asks for a flight from YMLT - YDPI - YKII and need a way to quickly find these aerodromes in ERSA so i can locate them on charts quickly.

I’m sure theres an easy way, but have searched through AIP & ERSA and cant find a quick solution.

Any help would be great.

VB
407
Silver Wings
Silver Wings
Posts: 17
Joined: Mar 2018

Re: CPL Nav question

Postby 407 » Tue Aug 28 2018, 09:07

User avatar
Twistgrip
4th Dan
4th Dan
Posts: 1169
Joined: Sep 2006

Re: CPL Nav question

Postby Twistgrip » Tue Aug 28 2018, 09:27

G’day VBlade,

Have a look in Aerodromes and ALA’s Decoded. IND GEN pg 29 onwards.

https://www.airservicesaustralia.com/aip/current/ersa/LND__16AUG2018.pdf
"You can watch things happen, you can make things happen or you can wonder what happened"
Fill-level
Gold Wings
Gold Wings
Posts: 181
Joined: Dec 2017

Re: CPL Nav question

Postby Fill-level » Tue Aug 28 2018, 09:32

PCA Chart
Probbo
Silver Wings
Silver Wings
Posts: 62
Joined: Aug 2015

Re: CPL Nav question

Postby Probbo » Tue Aug 28 2018, 10:09

Google works too mate!
User avatar
VBlade
Silver Wings
Silver Wings
Posts: 73
Joined: Feb 2018

Re: CPL Nav question

Postby VBlade » Tue Aug 28 2018, 12:20

Thanks for the replies.

The problem with those solutions is

With IND Gen pg 24 , codes are not in alphabetical order, only the aerodrome names are, so if you’re looking for a set of aerodromes when you have only been given the codes like YMLT, and YMMB for example, alot of time is being wasted trying to find them.

Going direct to the back of PCA is the same thing, many do fall alphabetically but there are plenty that dont.

These are the current methods I am using but taking up so much time finding them sometimes. Trying to find a more efficient way.

Also, No google in a exam.

VB
User avatar
Twistgrip
4th Dan
4th Dan
Posts: 1169
Joined: Sep 2006

Re: CPL Nav question

Postby Twistgrip » Tue Aug 28 2018, 13:26

With IND Gen pg 24 , codes are not in alphabetical order,


You might need to have another look. As they are in alphabetical order. As mentioned from page 29 onwards.

Good luck with the exam.
"You can watch things happen, you can make things happen or you can wonder what happened"
User avatar
VBlade
Silver Wings
Silver Wings
Posts: 73
Joined: Feb 2018

Re: CPL Nav question

Postby VBlade » Tue Aug 28 2018, 23:40

Thanks Twistgrip,

Ill work with that
bl@ckers
2nd Dan
2nd Dan
Posts: 316
Joined: Dec 2008

Re: CPL Nav question

Postby bl@ckers » Wed Aug 29 2018, 00:25

It may be worth mentioning:

YMLT
Y = airfield
M = under melbourne centre (B for Brisbane or P for Perth)
LT = Launceston

If the airfield is uncontrolled it will not include the second letter as an M, B or P, it will simply be a 3 letter shortened version of the airfield name (YKII = King Island)
User avatar
VBlade
Silver Wings
Silver Wings
Posts: 73
Joined: Feb 2018

Re: CPL Nav question

Postby VBlade » Wed Aug 29 2018, 06:40

bl@ckers wrote:It may be worth mentioning:

YMLT
Y = airfield
M = under melbourne centre (B for Brisbane or P for Perth)
LT = Launceston

If the airfield is uncontrolled it will not include the second letter as an M, B or P, it will simply be a 3 letter shortened version of the airfield name (YKII = King Island)



Thanks Bl@ckers, that helps understand it better.

My main issue was I was using ERSA IND gen “encode”, and not “decode” but sorted now.

Clearly I need to be more thorough in the reading.

Thanks again.
KHIO
New Member
New Member
Posts: 4
Joined: Apr 2018

Re: CPL Nav question

Postby KHIO » Thu Aug 30 2018, 13:02

Learnt something new today. Thanks a lot mate

bl@ckers wrote:It may be worth mentioning:

YMLT
Y = airfield
M = under melbourne centre (B for Brisbane or P for Perth)
LT = Launceston

If the airfield is uncontrolled it will not include the second letter as an M, B or P, it will simply be a 3 letter shortened version of the airfield name (YKII = King Island)
User avatar
Eric Hunt
3rd Dan
3rd Dan
Posts: 914
Joined: Sep 2006

Re: CPL Nav question

Postby Eric Hunt » Fri Aug 31 2018, 07:45

Y = AUSTRALIAN airfield

Amazingly, Antarctica got A.
User avatar
Twistgrip
4th Dan
4th Dan
Posts: 1169
Joined: Sep 2006

Re: CPL Nav question

Postby Twistgrip » Fri Aug 31 2018, 12:36

Y = AUSTRALIAN airfield

Amazingly, Antarctica got A.


Whilst we’re on topic Eric,

Other country identifiers to name a few are,
Canada =C
Alaska =P
US& A = K
Hawaii = P
Germany = E
Japan = R
"You can watch things happen, you can make things happen or you can wonder what happened"
PhilJ
Silver Wings
Silver Wings
Posts: 58
Joined: Mar 2006

Re: CPL Nav question

Postby PhilJ » Sat Sep 1 2018, 01:21

Twistgrip
E is northern Europe, the second letter gives away the country so Germany is EDxx
User avatar
Meatloaf
Gold Wings
Gold Wings
Posts: 106
Joined: Feb 2008

Re: CPL Nav question

Postby Meatloaf » Sat Sep 1 2018, 19:46

bl@ckers wrote:It may be worth mentioning:

YMLT
Y = airfield
M = under melbourne centre (B for Brisbane or P for Perth)
LT = Launceston

If the airfield is uncontrolled it will not include the second letter as an M, B or P, it will simply be a 3 letter shortened version of the airfield name (YKII = King Island)


Sorry I just need to correct/query this, what about YBLT YBNA YPLU YPKU YPKG all non-towered aerodromes?

You are correct for P - Perth in the case of Kununurra and Kalgoorlie, which is why Adelaide is also YPAD.
and now for something completely different
Saucepan
Gold Wings
Gold Wings
Posts: 113
Joined: Jan 2014

Re: CPL Nav question

Postby Saucepan » Sat Sep 1 2018, 23:18

Sydney is controlled, I assume 8) and is YSSY......
User avatar
Eric Hunt
3rd Dan
3rd Dan
Posts: 914
Joined: Sep 2006

Re: CPL Nav question

Postby Eric Hunt » Sat Sep 1 2018, 23:48

Meatloaf, some of the 3-letter designators start with B, or S, P or M. Ballarat, Parkes, and so on.

And YSSY is Y (Australia) S (Sydney region) SY (Sydney)

You also find that the navaids associated with the various locations will have codes that match the airfield - a 2-letter morse code for those that have 2 letters, and a 3-letter squawk for the 3-letter places. In cases like Sydney where there are multiple navaids, they try to make the codes have relevance but not always possible. In the bad old days, SY NDB was out the back of Holsworthy, nowhere near the airfield, but it lined you up with Rwy 07.
Justwannasearch
New Member
New Member
Posts: 6
Joined: Jan 2015

Re: CPL Nav question

Postby Justwannasearch » Sun Sep 2 2018, 10:37

The second letter after the ‘Y’ came from when Australia was split in to 4 different flight information regions; Melbourne, Sydney, Brisbane and Perth.

i.e YMLT for Launceston, YSCB for Canberra, etc.

When we consolidated the FIRs in to just Melbourne and Brisbane, it was too much hassle to rename all the airports so the Perth and Sydney Regions kept their codes.
User avatar
Meatloaf
Gold Wings
Gold Wings
Posts: 106
Joined: Feb 2008

Re: CPL Nav question

Postby Meatloaf » Mon Sep 3 2018, 23:13

Or just throw a 'Y' in front of the IATA code like America did with their 'K' for every aerodrome.
and now for something completely different

Return to “Flight Training”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 2 guests