IFR R44 Available for IFR Training

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IFR R44 Available for IFR Training

Postby Captain01+GB » Tue Mar 20 2018, 23:28

Robinson 44 available for IFR training based at Gold Coast can be operated elsewhere.
Not interested in general CPL training, IFR only.
Helicopter is approved for IFR and is equipped with the following additional instrumentation;
-SAS/ Autopilot Genesys HeliSAS
-Garmin G500H Display
-Garmin GTN750 GPS/COM/NAV
-Garmin GTX 345 Transponder with ADS-B
-Garmin GMA 350 HC Audio Panel
-Air Conditioning.
This machine was delivered at the beginning of the year and has low hours. This is a great opportunity for pilots who want to advance their skill set.
Please note this advert is only for the hire of the helicopter and all training will need to be completed through an approved flight school.
For more information please contact gregg.wagner@qldtc.com.
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Re: IFR R44 Available for IFR Training

Postby Balibelly » Wed Mar 21 2018, 12:22

IFR but not IMC ?
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Re: IFR R44 Available for IFR Training

Postby skypig » Wed Mar 21 2018, 15:18

Balibelly wrote:IFR but not IMC ?


What?

If it’s certified for IFR, how can it not be approved for “IMC”. The Instrument Flight Rules dont stipulate a minimum visibility or distance from cloud (above LSAlt)
Historically, there have been 2 B206’s certified for IFR.
I’ve flown one of them in cloud, at night, over the ocean. Scary (in hindsight). But legal.

It would need a second electrical power source. (Seen batteries approved for this, rather than a second alternator.) and a back up hydraulic system, or almost certainly, proven ability to fly safely after suffering a hydraulic failure.

I’m thinking it would be a very useful machine for training.
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Re: IFR R44 Available for IFR Training

Postby Friendly Black Dog » Wed Mar 21 2018, 19:58

Sufficient instruments to develop a scan but not allowed to be flown in IMC maybe?

I remember an old R22 back at Chopperline that had a big panel up the front, and you could flog around the sky doing basic instrument training (2 hours prior to NVFR back in the day) with foggles on and Tub sitting beside you.

You'd have a couple of hours in the old girl mr pig? HVB maybe...id have to check my logbook.

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Re: IFR R44 Available for IFR Training

Postby Eric Hunt » Wed Mar 21 2018, 21:44

Piggy said:
Historically, there have been 2 B206’s certified for IFR.


There is a stack of IFR B206 at Beckers, all with autopilots, glass screens, backup instruments, the whole 8.4 metres.
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Re: IFR R44 Available for IFR Training

Postby Captain01+GB » Thu Mar 22 2018, 00:04

Robinson haven't approved it for IMC its IFR trainer.
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Re: IFR R44 Available for IFR Training

Postby skypig » Thu Mar 22 2018, 00:47

Captain01+GB wrote:Robinson haven't approved it for IMC its IFR trainer.


I think it’s CASA that approves it or otherwise for IMC.

“IFR trainers” are not approved for IFR. They just have extra instruments. Often they are certified for Night VFR.

To sit a test, and IFR plan must be lodged. To lodge an IFR plan the AC must be certified for IFR flight. This will be on the maintenance release. (And probably a supliment in the flight manual). If you are flying under the Instrument Flight Rules, you are not restricted to Visual Meteorological Conditions.

Perhaps the OP can confirm it says “IFR” on the mtce release, to clear up what was meant by “approved for IFR”.
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Re: IFR R44 Available for IFR Training

Postby skypig » Thu Mar 22 2018, 01:04

FBD

I do have some hrs in my log book with that R22 (several log books ago)
It also had a heater, which was nice on winter mornings, even in Caloundra. Doors off as usual.
Ironically, I did my NVR test in a B47.

Eric

Are the B206s at Becker’s certified for IFR? Do you know?


Break break.
Historically in Australia, the cheapest (but still expensive) route to a CIR-H was to log the required IF time in an “Instrument Trainer” (or even some or the requirement in a fixed wing) then sit the test in an approved IFR machine. This required a command endorsement in said machine. Making the IFR Jetranger’s by far the cheapest option. (Assuming a SE CIR was sufficient.)

If this R44 is as it seems, it could be a very good thing for people willing to spend money to advance their career.
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Re: IFR R44 Available for IFR Training

Postby Eric Hunt » Thu Mar 22 2018, 02:54

Piggy, yes those 206 are fully IFR, a lot of time is spent inside clouds in them. The first one only had steam gauges but the fleet now is all glass and very useable. Flies down the ILS like a charm.
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Re: IFR R44 Available for IFR Training

Postby huey » Thu Mar 22 2018, 03:17

HVB. Got a few hours in that one myself. All VFR some NVFR.

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Re: IFR R44 Available for IFR Training

Postby KOALA » Mon Mar 26 2018, 19:27

Captain01+GB wrote:Robinson 44 available for IFR training based at Gold Coast can be operated elsewhere.
Not interested in general CPL training, IFR only.
Helicopter is approved for IFR and is equipped with the following additional instrumentation;
-SAS/ Autopilot Genesys HeliSAS
-Garmin G500H Display
-Garmin GTN750 GPS/COM/NAV
-Garmin GTX 345 Transponder with ADS-B
-Garmin GMA 350 HC Audio Panel
-Air Conditioning.
This machine was delivered at the beginning of the year and has low hours. This is a great opportunity for pilots who want to advance their skill set.
Please note this advert is only for the hire of the helicopter and all training will need to be completed through an approved flight school.
For more information please contact gregg.wagner@qldtc.com.


So based on the above. Are there any flights schools in Australia that are able to teach the IFR syllabus and have made enquires into this?

Any idea on rough training cost to complete an IFR rating in this R44?

Would be interested to know what the outlay would be and based on some of the comments if it is actually possible to complete it in this R44?!!

No need for negative comments, only positive post required. Thanks all :)
A young, aspiring pilot 8)
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Re: IFR R44 Available for IFR Training

Postby mattdeaker » Mon Mar 26 2018, 23:15

Does anyone know if an IFR rating in Australia is transferable to NZ license?
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Re: IFR R44 Available for IFR Training

Postby Evil Twin » Tue Mar 27 2018, 00:32

Yes it is, know a few people that have done it.

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