How does FNQ do it?
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- Silver Wings
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How does FNQ do it?
So I see GBR with a fleet of 17 helis advertise, NA website states 10 (very pricey) helis, CYA website dosnt give a number but with multiple bases you would have to presume a few helis, SS operating out of Port D with 3 Helis, plus a few one man bands with there 44s and a multitude of mustering boys.... Dare I ask this question, how do they all survive and is there bigger % of aircraft to population/land area in Australia?
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Re: How does FNQ do it?
Ss doesn't exist any more and took with them a couple of hundred grand in unpaid debt. gbr have good engineers keeping the (older) fleet in the air and burn ridiculous amounts of hours on tourists. cyh charge like wounded bulls in remote areas and have lots of young pilots ready to live anywhere for not much money and lots of time and R44's actually make money. Nautilus have a bloke with too much money investing hevily on speculation of more Chinese tourists/aquis. Pm for more details.
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Re: How does FNQ do it?
GBRs machines aren't exactly smick! Half the time they look like ex war machines and constantly need patching up, but the market is there and they've tapped into it well! Nautilus has gone to the other extreme and has the best of the best machines, even use a 407 for scenics. I believe the other day they bought a EC130 and 120 so they're probably running at a loss with a lot of money behind them but slowly and surely they'll end up taking over and making a good business.
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Re: How does FNQ do it?
Yep there was a couple of the Nautilus guys getting trained up in the 130 over at Morrabbin about a week or so ago and departed after for Cairns in a 130 and a 120.
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- Gold Wings
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Re: How does FNQ do it?
It's the same as the fixed wing , Cairns based planes fly for penny's but they certainly look like it also.
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Re: How does FNQ do it?
angrypalmtree wrote:Ss doesn't exist any more and took with them a couple of hundred grand in unpaid debt. gbr have good engineers keeping the (older) fleet in the air and burn ridiculous amounts of hours on tourists. cyh charge like wounded bulls in remote areas and have lots of young pilots ready to live anywhere for not much money and lots of time and R44's actually make money. Nautilus have a bloke with too much money investing hevily on speculation of more Chinese tourists/aquis. Pm for more details.
"Speculation"?
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Re: How does FNQ do it?
Aquis isn't set in stone as yet. That business model (nautilus) will go backwards at a great rate of knots if it actually had to pay its own way. Tony fung himself isnt a billionaire himself, yes he can get access to that money but he has said on many occasions that he won't do it without community backing. His biggest hurdle now is the epa, goodluck I think cairns needs it.
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Re: How does FNQ do it?
Angrypalmtree
Eppy Cyclic
GBR Helicopters
Gott snobbler
Heli Hunter
Hemma Royd
Hugh Jardon
Instead of constantly talking down competition while slyly talking up your company you should have just focused on your job. All your aliases and constant jibes are not very befitting of upper (former) management. GBR reminds me a lot of Dawn Fraser. Did something great a long, long time ago but since then has started to fall part, bumbles around with no direction, looks worn out and tired, got arrogant and is still riding on the coattails of glory days well and truly long ago. Only too happy to tell you how wonderful they are to anyone who is left to listen. Sad really. Not long until someone is is wheeling you into the retirement village to have your tips frosted and wiping the drool from your chin.
Eppy Cyclic
GBR Helicopters
Gott snobbler
Heli Hunter
Hemma Royd
Hugh Jardon
Instead of constantly talking down competition while slyly talking up your company you should have just focused on your job. All your aliases and constant jibes are not very befitting of upper (former) management. GBR reminds me a lot of Dawn Fraser. Did something great a long, long time ago but since then has started to fall part, bumbles around with no direction, looks worn out and tired, got arrogant and is still riding on the coattails of glory days well and truly long ago. Only too happy to tell you how wonderful they are to anyone who is left to listen. Sad really. Not long until someone is is wheeling you into the retirement village to have your tips frosted and wiping the drool from your chin.
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Re: How does FNQ do it?
angrypalmtree
How would you know another companies business model? Are you on the inside? So let me get this straight.....
Provide superior aircraft, win customer service awards, happy staff and win work from other complacent companies. You are right, that sounds like a recipe for disaster. I guess their big boss/owner became a billionaire because he is a moron. Imagine what he could have done with an advisor like you!
How would you know another companies business model? Are you on the inside? So let me get this straight.....
Provide superior aircraft, win customer service awards, happy staff and win work from other complacent companies. You are right, that sounds like a recipe for disaster. I guess their big boss/owner became a billionaire because he is a moron. Imagine what he could have done with an advisor like you!
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Re: How does FNQ do it?
Saw on Facebook that Nautilus has taken one of the reef contracts off GBR. I guess the slippery slope GBR has been on for the last few years is getting pretty steep now! You can't put a dusty old fleet of jetty's next to the machines Nautilus have and expect to keep winning contracts.
Here's a question though. How can it be cost effective to run unreliable 30 year old Bells compared to spending extra money on newer machines? This is something that the whole industry in AU has issue with compared to places like the US and UK. Although I think companies like Nautilus and Microflite are starting to change that.
Thoughts?
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Here's a question though. How can it be cost effective to run unreliable 30 year old Bells compared to spending extra money on newer machines? This is something that the whole industry in AU has issue with compared to places like the US and UK. Although I think companies like Nautilus and Microflite are starting to change that.
Thoughts?
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- Silver Wings
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Re: How does FNQ do it?
Windsofchange and choppered99 it doesn't take much to take note of what machines are flying and know the direct operating costs of each. I know that a clapped out old jet box will make more money than an ec nearly any day given day. I agree that gbr machines look like crap and that they really need to put some money into the business to keep market dominance. How many pontoons do nautilus and gbr have each? Because I'm sure gbr still have the lions share. How many spares are there for ec's in aus let alone after sales support? Whats the lead time for an arriel/arius? You could have an jetty go u/s and flying again 3 times over before you have even get a part for an ec if it had to come from france. Gbr's flight school is literally printing money right now even though they have upped the price per hour... again $550 is a bit rich if your asking me. Nautilus is in a very good position given the "potential" aquis development and they have their own captive audience with the Townsville casino, daintree eco lodge and Orpheus island. As the below story shows but to say that he has paid that money for those assets is pure PR spin because I know for a fact that he did not pay that amount for heli charters (yes I know people who work in banks). What would really kick nautilus off would be taking Gbr's pontoon contracts then gbr would really s#!t themselves. Also never buy an A model anything....... lets get 2 505's!! http://www.cairnspost.com.au/business/h ... 6810064233
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Re: How does FNQ do it?
But aren't all your jetrangers A models?
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Re: How does FNQ do it?
Not mine, never have been. I tour. I just know a lot of engineers and pilots and pay attention to the news and what choppers are flying around.
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Re: How does FNQ do it?
Wow! U know NA's business model, u know the financial details of GBR and you have contacts in the banks that share a billionaires personal financial details. Hold on is this the Australian finance minister Joe Hockey! Joe! I didn't know you toured from Mossman to Cairns!
PS. Maybe you should login now as flyboy111111 so that you can back up your opinion.
PS. Maybe you should login now as flyboy111111 so that you can back up your opinion.
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Re: How does FNQ do it?
Chopper99, I think that u will find those unreliable old Bells, will go out and do the job all day every day, at a lower DOC than a new EC(don't believe the manufacturers DOC's). They are also far cheaper to purchase, and therefore far cheaper to insure.
They can also still do the job that they were designed to do over 50 years ago. And if everyone traded in 3 JRs to buy a new EC, then where are all the pilots going to get jobs, there will be far less helicopters out there.
The UK may be different, virtually no commercial market,, but if you travel to the USA you will find that there are far more old unreliable helicopters flying everyday, than the flash new ones.
And good luck to the guys prepared to front up and put new machinery out there, we need people that are prepared to do that. But as Mr Branson said " how do you make a Million in aviation? Start with a Billion!"
I'm not in fnq, no skin in this game.
They can also still do the job that they were designed to do over 50 years ago. And if everyone traded in 3 JRs to buy a new EC, then where are all the pilots going to get jobs, there will be far less helicopters out there.
The UK may be different, virtually no commercial market,, but if you travel to the USA you will find that there are far more old unreliable helicopters flying everyday, than the flash new ones.
And good luck to the guys prepared to front up and put new machinery out there, we need people that are prepared to do that. But as Mr Branson said " how do you make a Million in aviation? Start with a Billion!"
I'm not in fnq, no skin in this game.
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- Silver Wings
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Re: How does FNQ do it?
Hey windsofchange, have you ever bought a bloke a beer? You'd be surprised what info you can get out of a bloke after a round or two and playing the fool I personally find it more fun than chasing women sometimes. But you have to take some things with a grain of salt. "Taking on someones debt" isn't really disclosing a billionares financial information and yes you can make a small fortune in aviation by starting with a big one. Nice new account btw. Some of my best information isn't found out in Aus.
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Re: How does FNQ do it?
Well this one escalated suddenly.....
Never forget that some people exist purely as a warning to others.
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- Gold Wings
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Re: How does FNQ do it?
Cairns aircraft operators have screwed themselves in the price game they now have clients thinking smell of the rag prices are the norm and now like all the fixed wing operators up that way they just keep going until one falls off the perch
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Re: How does FNQ do it?
Angrypalmtree
I have to admit you play the fool well, I'm conviced! As for your quote of "Nice new account btw. Some of my best information isn't found out in Aus". You are a regular man of mystery, like Austin Powers, with that fancy British smile.
Nzflyer
You are right in that the industry shoots itself in the foot. Problem is that we have 'business' geniuses like Hugh Jardon come into the industry and think they can dominate the market by attempting to undercut everyone. How is that working out!
I have to admit you play the fool well, I'm conviced! As for your quote of "Nice new account btw. Some of my best information isn't found out in Aus". You are a regular man of mystery, like Austin Powers, with that fancy British smile.
Nzflyer
You are right in that the industry shoots itself in the foot. Problem is that we have 'business' geniuses like Hugh Jardon come into the industry and think they can dominate the market by attempting to undercut everyone. How is that working out!
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